20H AGO1 HR The Progressive Regulator Winning Over the Populist Right Interesting Times with Ross Douthat Play Is the key to freedom a life without Amazon? This week, Ross talks to Lina Khan, former Chair of the Federal Trade Commission about how unchecked corporate power has limited choice in our day-to-day lives, and how her fight against Big Tech unites left and right.02:41 - What’s wrong with big business?09:27 - The political costs of corporate consolidation11:39 - How the 2008 financial crisis shaped Lina Khan's philosophy17:49 - The antitrust consensus from Reagan to Obama21:54 - How the left and right align against big business 26:12 - Khan's wins and losses at the FTC 36:53 - Is the Trump administration embracing or rejecting Khan's vision?42:32 - Is anti-monopoly policy the solution to our economic problems?48:38 - Can Big Tech be broken up?(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com.Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Episode Webpage Information Show Interesting Times with Ross Douthat Channel The New York Times Frequency Updated Weekly Published June 19, 2025 at 9:00 AM UTC Length 1 hr Rating Clean United States Select a country or region Africa, Middle East, and India See All Asia Pacific See All Europe See All Latin America and the Caribbean See All The United States and Canada See All Copyright © 2025 All rights reserved. To listen to explicit episodes, sign in. Sign In Stay up to date with this show Sign in or sign up to follow shows, save episodes, and get the latest updates. Sign In Select a country or region Africa, Middle East, and India See All Asia Pacific See All Europe See All Latin America and the Caribbean See All The United States and Canada See All , Douthat: This is also a point of origin, I think, for right-wing populism too — though, in a peculiar way, because in certain ways, the Tea Party movement kicks off famously with Rick Santelli , 21:54 - How the left and right align against big business ; 26:12 - Khan's wins and losses at the FTC ; 36:53 - Is the Trump administration embracing or rejecting Khan's vision? 42:32 - Is anti-monopoly policy the solution to our economic problems? 48:38 - Can Big Tech be broken up? (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times .