Terry,Oh yeah.. I remember sloshing around Manheim in the snow... boy was that a joy. And then I had to drive back to North Jersey in the snow.. yuck. GM: "Why do you want to a Navigator as a Demo? You're in the Jaguar department, don't you want to drive a Jaguar?" to the GM: "Uhh, because I don't want to drive a Jag through a Blizzard in PA!"Well, I used to buy tons of Program Volvos from the closed sale.. ya know, same year leather/roof/alloy/cold weather S70s with 20k on em, still with the Hertz keychains..etc. I couldn't get enough of 'em, same model year as the new one on the showroom floor for 32+++ and I'd grab em for 20/21, ship em, run em through the shop and for 24,9 they'd sell like bandsaws at the prison commissary.This was also back in the days when GECAL was still around and strong.. we used to lease 15 of 'em a month, awesome switch car. Volvo used to do a $299 sign and drive but it was on the hubcap car with no leather, roof or CD. Through GECAL I could do the $299 sign and drive for 36 months, still make an OK deal and put the customer in the same year car with all the goodies.Now, I'd be able to buy em for 20/21 Unless these two nitwits from Virginia/DC area would show up. Now, we got 300 of these units running, look! One's Black, no, there's a Blue one! A Silver one!.. you know the deal but to the civilians.. 300 cars running, other than color, identical cars.. mileage +/- 600 or so. The first 20-30 cars would run and these two would bid against each other on the first 20-30 units, pay $23k per car, and then run off with their green and yellow copies all smug in having restocked their lots. I'd just sit back, fire up a smoke and watch em, chuckling to myself along with the other 25-30 Volvo dealers in the lane.Then the rest of us would buy em up for $20-21k.Then they'd take their 60-day units to the open sale and wonder why they could only get 20-21k for em... "But you guys pay $23k for these"Uhh, no. We don't, you do. , I'm trying to private party sell my 03 Honda CR-V, and I'm finding that the Edmunds value is about $500 more than the comparable KBB value., Visit Edmunds.com Car Forums to discuss car buying, selling, repairs, maintenance and all things automotive! Search discussions by make, model or topic..